Talk Description to Me
Talk Description to Me
Episode 100 - Our 100th Episode!
Reaching the ripe old age of 100 makes a podcast reflective (and perhaps a bit self-indulgent!). Guided by emails and tweets from listeners, Christine and JJ pull clips from key episodes, share fond memories, and discuss what's been learned through their description-rich conversations.
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Talk description to me is Christine Malec and JJ Hunt
Christine Malec:Hi, I'm Christine Malec.
JJ Hunt:And I'm JJ Hunt. This is talk description to me, where the visuals of current events and the world around us get hashed out in description rich conversations
Christine Malec:This is a big day for us. This is our 100th episode, which is shocking to us as maybe it is to you. And it got us to being a bit reflective. And so today, we want to be a bit you know, kind of retrospective and and look back at some some episodes, that listeners and that we ourselves thought were memorable for different reasons. And so we're going to be taught referencing feedback from listeners and playing some clips that are particularly memorable or fun. And I think we're just going to start by indulging ourselves just a bit to say, really briefly, why, why the 100th episode feels so, so important for us. And I feel like so lucky, this is my dream job because I just get to ask questions and ask questions about whatever I'm curious about. And not only do I get my own curiosity satisfied, but I get to share that with with all of the blind community in the world who are interested to listen. And so I just am so pleased, because I think that we're doing something innovative. And it's an opportunity for me personally, and as a representative of the blind community to engage with audio description, and that the access that that gives in a way that I never had access to before and that is, is kind of unique. And so it's JJ what's what's it been like for you? Like, what, what's the takeaway for you out of the last 99 episodes of why you why why do we keep doing the work? Why is it so valuable?
JJ Hunt:Yeah, it is. It's so interesting, you know, this, this show kind of started, certainly in no small part as a response to the extreme things that were happening in the world, right. We had the pandemic was new lockdowns wherever we were, we were trying to work our way through what that was all about. And then there was the the murder of George Floyd and the subsequent riots and unrest, there was just so much going on. That it it propelled us to do this podcast. And then since then, of course, we continue to cover those big events, those, those major moments in life, but also now we're doing kind of, we're also doing the fun and the playful pop culture stuff. And that gets in there. And I don't know, there's something about having the opportunity to do all of those things. With the community, like we are doing this in conversation with people, we are getting requests by Twitter, and email, and we're having conversations about these things on Facebook with people. It's a I mean, it's been remarkable. And it's been a huge honor. And I gotta say, as a describer, I've learned so much about how description is used, and why we create it, and who should be creating it. And all of those things, and to have the opportunity to continue to do this is, I mean, it's fantastic. I love it. I say all the time that this is my days when I'm working on this show are always the best part of my work week. And if I'm ever if I'm ever kind of trying to procrastinate doing other work, I'm like, Oh, I wonder if there's any talk description work, I can't. Anything I can look into for the for the podcast, because that's the you know, it's it's my happy place.
Christine Malec:We we value so much I know we say this all the time, but I can't emphasize too much how true it is that when we get feedback from listeners, that's what keeps us going right? To know where our stuff lands and how how it affects people is so precious to us. And so in getting ready for this episode, I was looking through old tweets and old emails and I was getting all fuzzy inside. It was really, really good.
JJ Hunt:You know, one of the most profound moments for for me, we were doing a we were doing an event I think was for the Pennsylvania Council of the Blind. They had invited us to speak at their conference and it was lovely and people were asking us really interesting quite Since it was clear, a significant part of the of the audience for that event knew the podcast. So they were asking really precise questions. Do you remember in this episode when Christine laughed at this comment, like, wow, these are fan these know, these people know, the show was amazing. And then one of the one of the women asked, I said, Listen, I just have a question. I want to know, how do you take care of each other when you're talking about difficult things. And I was so touched by that I was like, even thinking about it. Now, I'm kind of welling up a little bit. Because the I mean, just the thoughtfulness the caring to to not that this wasn't a listener who was taking something that we were giving this was someone who was engaged in a conversation with us whether or not they were, they were speaking at the time, and they were caring about us, like we're caring about them. And that was just a lovely moment, that kind of interaction is, is everything.
Christine Malec:And it was a lovely recognition of how especially you JJ, but it's not like a newsreader where you have a script, and you read it and you're done. You spend time staring at the images and dissecting them and describing them writing notes. And I know from, from voiceover work I've done where you have to sit with difficult stuff, and really focus on it. It's not comfortable, it's not comfortable. And to have that recognized was was really, yeah, it was it was very lovely, because some of our episodes have been difficult, and we will be referencing some of that. But we had, can you read the tweet from from Sarah from Twitter? Yeah, absolutely.
JJ Hunt:So Sarah said, her tweet was just listened to this great talk description episode full of discussion about album art, some of which I remember well, and others I've never seen. And then she ended with a heart emoji.
Christine Malec:For me what one of the reasons I love to this was, one of the things that I've become clear about is that part of what we're doing is cultural literacy. And so, so many times like that, like that episode started because a friend made a casual quip about crossing the road and Oh, I feel like I'm on the Abbey Road, album cover. And I didn't have a clue what he was talking about. And so often this happens, where there's pop culture references or a myriad of other things that come up. And as a totally blind person, you're just not in the conversation. I don't know what they're talking about. And so the one of the great things about this experience is that it's given me a ton of cultural literacy. And I know from feedback from listeners that that like Sarah and other people that that's really true as well. Yeah,
JJ Hunt:absolutely. The other thing that this this tweet reminds me of is this, this the way that the podcast is used, and this was something we learned fairly early on. I don't think we knew going in, I certainly went into this podcast thinking what we would be doing is describing new things, that people who are blind or have partial sight wouldn't necessarily know about the world that's going on around them right now. But what this tweet from Sarah reminds us is, it's not that's not the only way that this information is being used, like some of the album's Sarah knew. And it was a way for her. And we've heard this from others. I remember our friend John, a member of the Toronto Community who recently passed away he talked about this with regards to fireworks, listening to the episode about fireworks, reminded him of fireworks from his youth. And he listened to the episode in a nostalgic way. It was a way it was, you know, the visual equivalent would be flipping through a photo album, these descriptions for for John and for Sarah, it sounds like are in part about looking back and remembering things and adding new pieces of information to those memories. The lovely reminder of the different ways that people have been, have been engaging with with these conversations.
Christine Malec:One of the episodes that I really enjoyed, and it did have some of those, oh my gosh, moments for me of things I had no idea about was our episode on maps, and tracking and stuff. And we got a lovely tweet from Jenny on Twitter about that.
JJ Hunt:Yeah, Jenny said a geeking out big time on the fab talk description podcast episode about maps and navigation. I've learned so much from this show. And it teaches me to look at and appreciate small details of the world that we sighted folks take for granted.
Christine Malec:So JJ, as a fellow sighted folk, like what how did that land for you?
JJ Hunt:Well, I mean, first of all, I love that this is this podcast is a place where people who are sighted people who are blind people are partial. We're all getting together and having these conversations and we're all learning. I'm learning tons from being involved in this podcast. The it is getting me to look at and appreciate things that are, again, you know that I come across every day, but I haven't taken the time to study. And this is a great excuse to do so. And you know, just a quick shout out, I have to say, because I know we've got lots of describers, who are listeners of the show. And just a quick thank you to my fellow describers. Because you know, I'm talking off the cuff a lot. And describers they're supposed to be precise. And we are supposed to be detail oriented. And I know I stumble sometimes. And I know I mess up sometimes. But I can only imagine that there are moments when there are describers listening or like, Oh, that's not the word I would have used? Oh, that color is not quite right. I think your memory is wrong on that one. I haven't received a single JJ, you didn't quite get that one. Right. I haven't received a single note no emails, no complaints, certainly. And that's, that's, you know, that shows a big spirit on on the part of the describer community. So thank you describers.
Christine Malec:I love watching those interactions, especially on Twitter and Facebook, where other describers engage with us most specifically with you in the most collegial way. So you'll say something like, Oh, we're doing an episode on puppets coming up, does anyone have resources and other describers will step up and say, oh, you should check this out. Or check that out. And the collegial feel is just lovely. It's so nice.
JJ Hunt:And you know, the community is now. I mean, we're spread out there describers all over the place and the kinds of content that people have been describing. It's growing and growing and growing. And so you can say, you know, I'm just gonna, we're gonna be talking about puppets. And someone out there has talked puppets before someone's described puppet someone's done something with that the industry has been around the work has been around long enough. And, you know, people are doing really creative things literally all over the world. And so to have this network of people to draw on and talk to and get oh, confer with, it's wonderful.
Christine Malec:We had a lovely email from Kay. Maybe you could read a little excerpt from that, JJ?
JJ Hunt:Kay wrote us to say I wanted to share that I truly appreciated your episode on the George Floyd memorials, I feel it was important for those of us without sight to know and understand how the nation and the world responded to what's going on in Minneapolis.
Christine Malec:This was hands down, obviously, some of the most difficult material we covered. And so there was a few episodes where George Floyd figured, and the one case referring to was was actually about the art, I think it was with the Shogun trial that we covered this and her her, her email made me think about the ways that we've talked about art. And there is, of course, lots more access to describe art than there ever has been. And one piece that doesn't get as much traction is graffiti. And so I love the times in our episodes when we've covered spontaneous public art and graffiti and the ways that that appears in public life. And it's kind of pop culture, it's kind of cultural literacy. And it's kind of just being part of the public conversation, which honestly, if I had to encapsulate why this podcast is so meaningful to me, that's what I would say is that it includes our community and the public conversation. And so we have a clip from our episode about that. Cut talking about the some of the Memorial Art for George Floyd. So let's give a listen to that.
JJ Hunt:In the portrait that was painted of him here, he stares straight at us and he has worn brown eyes as a color portrait. He's got warm brown eyes, and there's a dark band that covers his mouth. It's a it's a dark gray, it looks like a strip of duct tape, and on it are dripping white letters which read I can't breathe. Of course that's a you know, very common refrain. One of his last things that he said and it appears all over the place is very similar mural painted in Los Angeles. The same type of mural but in that portrait. George Floyd has blue tears running from his eyes, and there's a red banner that reads I can't breathe covering his mouth. There there are murals all over in Gaza City, a portrait of George Floyd was painted on a white plaster wall, and above his head are two hands one light skinned one dark skinned, making a heart above his head and the white hand is bound with barbed wire. I found a photo of a of a destroyed building in a deep Syria. This I mean really not much more than a pile of rubble. But there's one partial cement pillar left standing, it's got exposed, twisted rebar sticking out a bit. And someone painted a portrait of George Floyd there on this cement pillar and the phrases I can't breathe and No to racism are there I found street portraits in Kenya, England, Pakistan, Northern Ireland, Belgium, Berlin, Italy, Spain, Israel and all over the world.
Christine Malec:Another topic that was of course very difficult and painful for us and listeners was the January 6 insurrection in the United States. And dragon white cane on Twitter had something to say about that.
JJ Hunt:Yeah, Dragon wrote the description of the January 6 insurrection, it was hard to listen to, but totally necessary. And it gave me a chance to understand what was going on with other people in the news, etc. It was amazing and excellent and really important.
Christine Malec:And this brought up so many huge issues about what we do for me. And one of them, which I've referenced before, and especially when we talked about the trucker insurrection in Ottawa recent this past winter was the way that as a describer, JJ, you don't just look at an image superficially, describe it quickly and then move on. Or it's not the way that sighted News viewers look at an image, take it in for whatever, you know, of half a second or a second and a half, whatever it is time and make some conclusions, maybe unconscious ones and flip on to the next image. And the work that you do makes you stare at it, and it makes you stare at it some more. And it makes you dissect it and name everything in it. And by doing that, you come to insights that the casual news viewer might not get. And I'm thinking specifically of the example where there was a lot of statements being made in the Ottawa incidents where children are being used as human shields. And that's a very extreme and scary idea. And one of the images was of children who definitely looked like they were in a protest situation, and somewhere that looked dangerous. But overhead was a sign referring to a border, and there's no border in Ottawa. And so just by virtue of staring at that image to describe it, you you highlighted something that was super relevant to, to the story itself. And so I've so often I've said and thought there's not a word actually, for what you're doing. Because it's not news. It's not quite journalism, it's not quite description. It's not commentary. It's not editorial, but it lands somewhere in you know, in all of those in all of those fields. And the clip we're going to hear in a minute is I chose it very specifically because we covered the January 6 insurrection in two episodes. And it was such a breaking story. That information was coming out slowly. And, JJ, do you want to kind of set up what what happened in your you know, just your process even about the images under discussion?
JJ Hunt:Yeah, with that insurrection, so much was happening was almost real time that we were describing what was going on videos were were piling up and social media videos were being shared around and news organizations were pulling from social media. It was it was it was a bit of a mess. And so the first episode, obviously, we needed to be covering this right away. So part of our job was to try and get through as much content as possible. And so I described what I saw, and a lot of that time I you know, I didn't know what I was seeing. So I was trying to I mean, hedge isn't quite the right word. But I was trying to be clear, when I was unclear, you know, here's what I see. But I'm not sure what this means. And so there was a moment when a police officer later identified as Eugene Goodman was what I thought was being chased through the building. This was a black police officer being chased by a white mob. And that was how I originally described it. But then what became clear over the next few days was that that wasn't a chasing it wasn't just a pure chasing situation that was also this officer using the visuals of himself using the fact that he is a black man to poll to lower this mob of people away from from from the chamber where the you know, politicians who were in grave danger. We're we're currently hiding and, and so that was a bit of information that unfolded over the course of days. So we came back and we He redescribed that moment with new information, and what an opportunity to be able to do so and to be able to reach the same audience that we'd spoken to the first time and say, Hey, listen, new information. Check this out. This is important to hear.
Christine Malec:Totally unique context and perspective. So let's give a listen to the three minute clip because it really highlighted some important stuff
JJ Hunt:inside the building, another bit of information that's come out that kind of needs to be addressed, I think, is this the black police officer being chased through the building? Do you remember this story that we talked about? So there's there are new theories being put forward now that people have had a chance to analyze the footage and take a look at where the officer was in the building and take a look again, at his body language, as you said, there are new theories being put forward. As far as I know, this police officer has not been interviewed by the media. So we don't actually have his personal take on it as far as I know. But here's a new theory. So that the officer's name is Eugene Goodman. And the theory is that he wasn't being chased entirely. He was actually somewhat in control of the situation. And he was luring the mob away from the Senate chamber. Fascinating. So what this officer did, this black police officer did was he used his appearance, his race, the very fact that he's a black man, my God as a lure to pull this mob away from the Senate chamber. Oh. So the very first man that's chasing him in this in this group will call him the leader of this little side mob is wearing a Q anon t shirt. So this is a picture with a large queue that's adorned with Stars and Stripes. And in the center of the queue is a bald eagle. This guy has been identified as Doug Jensen, he has been arrested by the FBI. And he is the primary target. He's the he's the one that's going back and forth with Eugene Goodman, the officer the most the whole mob is yelling and screaming. But this guy Jensen is stepping out in front of the mob and doing a lot of interacting. And when you watch the video carefully, with this theory in mind, I did notice a few new things. First of all, the officer, officer Goodman, he does seem to stop on the staircase to engage with the mob and to engage with Jensen on several occasions. Now my original take on that would have been because he has he has a very thin, collapsible, like, stick with him a baton with a collapsible baton. And my original assessment was that he was running up the stairs. And every once in a while he had to stop, hold this baton in hand and to protect himself to make sure the mob doesn't get too close. Jenson doesn't get too close, threaten them a little bit, and then he continues running up the stairs. But in fact, he stops and engages in a bit of yelling and back and forth with Jensen and the crew several times. And at one point, he stops glances down a hallway. And that hallway has now been identified as an entrance to the Senate chamber. He then reaches out and gives Jensen just a little shove on the shoulder and then continues running up the stairs. And sure enough, Jenson and the mob behind him, continue chasing him up the stairs.
Christine Malec:One of the things that's so amazing to me is the range of countries where people are listening to to our work. And so JJ Watt, what's the number? We're out of how many countries we have listeners in?
JJ Hunt:I think we have listeners in 95 countries.
Christine Malec:That's just amazing. And of course, it might be just one or two or 10. But to know that the scale that that's, that's really amazing. We got a when we put a call out for feedback of memorable episodes for people. We got a tweet from Anya, who is a New Zealander living in Norway. So JJ, do you want to give a read there?
JJ Hunt:Yeah. On your writes the episode with the descriptions of the contraptions that result in say a marble completing a very complicated circuit was absolutely hilarious.
Christine Malec:Rube Goldberg machines. I believe this episode started with something in Germany with wine glasses and a little train going model train going by bringing the wine glasses and making a song. And that was pretty epic. But the concept of Rube Goldberg machines I'd heard of it, and I frankly didn't know what it was. And so it's kind of like a game of dominoes where you have to actually you had a really concise definition of a JD A series of in something like a series of completely improbable, small events that lead to an inconsequential result. And it's just like a totally contrived, mad kind of cycle. That must be just so much fun to watch completely futile. And so, so, the episode is full of fun things, but I extracted a clip that JJ you did an amazing rapid fire shotgun description. It may have been in real time of a Rube Goldberg machine in action producing a completely meaningless result. So let's give that a listen.
JJ Hunt:The page turner. So a slim white man with a thin mustache and wild bed head sits at a kitchen table lined with odd objects. He's reading the front page of a newspaper that's lying flat on the table, he picks up a mug with Scott a string tied to the handle and when he puts down the mug, the string tugs at a pencil that's on the wall keeping a picture frame frame straight. A ball on the corner of the frame rolls down the now slanted picture frame knocking away another pencil. This happens three times until the ball on the third frame on the top. It rolls into another large open frame that's mounted on the wall and it's filled with crazy wall mounted objects. The ball goes into the frame and drops into a ladle the ladle tips over a small pitcher the pitcher drips oil into a cup which sparks a small flame. The flame lights a fuse that runs under four billiard balls. As it burns away, the balls dropped onto a slanted track and roll into cups. The last ball rolls over the top of the first three down another ramp and it flips a switch on a portable propane camping stove. The gas comes out of the camping stove hits the still burning fuse and lights up above the camping stove there's a beaker filled with liquid to liquid begins to boil steam rises onto a hanging sponge that's on the end of a flyswatter. When the sponge gets saturated, it gets heavy this flyswatter flips up and it knocks a ping pong ball onto a stack of books. There are some knocking about other ping pong balls and that leads to a book tipping over and there's a ball inside the book that rolls down out of the book down a ramp in into a vase that's on the kitchen table. The ball rolls out of the bottom of the vase onto a track yanking the vase to the floor. There are headphones that are also tied to the vase so they fly off the table too. And that unblocks a glass lying on its side. The glass rolls down the table over a piece of tape that's on the end of a length of string. The glass rolls off the table with the tape stuck to it. The string pulls the pencil that there's a pencil that pops open a laptop tied to the other end of the string. So when when the string flies off the table the pencil comes out of the laptop the laptop slams shut and it falls off the table. The cord of the laptop is tied to a hair dryers on switch. The hairdryer blows onto a long narrow hamster cage, the hamster gets annoyed runs to the far end of the cage, and that makes the tape the cage tip. And there's a ball on top of the cage that begins to roll it rolls down the cage into a tray the tray falls off the table yanking the hairdryer cord, which was propping up a roll of yellow tape, the roll of yellow tape rolls across the table over the newspaper sticking to the front page. So when it falls off the table, it drags the front page open so that the man with the bed head can read the inside of the paper. All that happens in under two minutes.
Christine Malec:Stellar was stellar your entire career JJ led to that of like Academy Award winning description. Wow. I referred earlier to the idea of cultural literacy. And for me one of the really aha moments, which I actually have pretty often these days is when JJ has described something that I completely didn't know about. And then, you know, sometime later, it comes up in some completely unexpected context and I get it. So it becomes the joke that I get versus the joke that I go on. I don't know what that's about. And so I was rewatching the movie airplane with some friends the other night. And there's the scene where the couple meets in the dance club and the description is great. It's really good. And they describe the dance moves. And the one that I remember most was he points at the floor. He points at the ceiling he points at the floor. And I remembered perfectly JJ you describing that as part of disco in our episode on dance. And so it became the reference that I got where without our podcast, it would have just gone okay, that's a dance movement and it meant nothing to me. But all of a sudden now I knew Oh, they're totally referencing and parodying this. And so these moments happened for me increasingly because of the podcast and last winter. Last winter. We were I was in an outdoor hot tub, it was pretty awesome. And my friends were, I had some cider friends and they're looking up, and we were kind of in a backyard. And they both of them kept going on about how beautiful this view was, which was looking up at a hydro pole that had all these wires coming off of it, it seems like an improbable statement to say a hydro pole with wires coming off of it against a black sky is somehow beautiful. But because we had talked about it in an infrastructure episode about, you know, phone poles and power lines and things, I knew what they were talking about, I knew exactly what they were referencing. And I could picture it because I had the mental image in my mind. And so there's cultural literacy literacy, but there's infrastructure literacy, too. And so, JJ, that's one of the things that, in fact, you know, we go way back on this talk about infrastructure.
JJ Hunt:Yeah. And you know, some of those things are there just for sighted people who walk around in the city, those, they're just part of the landscape. And we don't always take those moments, it takes a nice outdoor hot tub to make you sit back and think about how wonderful that life outdoor hot tub right. But when you when you do when you put yourself in a moment where you are considering some of these things like oh, how will okay, we came up with a topic idea. We're going to cover infrastructure and in the electrical grid, and how does it Oh, wow. And now I thinking about this, how am I going to cover it. And then I start to look at things that I have previously taken for granted. And so I learned something because of that an eye tag, like, I feel like I'm engaging with my world more because of that as well. Another example is the episode we did on like personal transportation, like bicycles and electric skateboards. And before we did the episode, I would occasionally like see one of these fancy new, you know, unicycles, electric unicycles go by and kind of chuckled to myself and say, Wow, that's weird. But I hadn't really considered how many of them are there? How often do I see these things? Who is writing them? And when I had the excuse, the opportunity to do it, to talk about it on the show and to think about it? You know, from that moment, until today, now, every time I see one of those go by I kind of catalog it like, Oh, who's that person writing it? Oh, did I get because I used to I said in the episode that it wasn't people who look like that, who were writing it but wow, that's person is wearing these clothes and wearing it? Well, that's a middle aged guy wearing that, you know, riding that unicycle and I thought that I learned and I'm engaging with, with my environment with the infrastructure in a different way. Because we have set ourselves up this task of, of, you know, decoding and describing what's going on.
Christine Malec:I want to go way back to episode eight, and we get that this episode, this 100th episode has been a little self indulgent and we just love looking back just a little bit. But we're gonna look back way to episode eight. And the reason is that this episode was a partly about tick tock and that's that's important because tick tock definitely is part of the cultural landscape that blind people are not really getting as much access to because it is so visual and so so quick. And so JJ, you did, again, a rapid fire shotgun sort of very quick, talking through the things you flick through on tick tock, and it was dizzying, it truly was. And it even on its own is absolutely worth a read. Listen, however, we got a tweet from a listener who listens as many as many blind people do, who listens to podcasts at increased speed. And he said, You know, when you listen to JJ do that tick tock thing at high speed. He sounds just like an auctioneer. And I laughed and laughed and laughed. This just knocked me off. My chair was so funny. So I went back and I extracted the rapid fire Tic Toc, and I processed it a bit and you get out at high speed and totally true. We're gonna go out on listening to JJ auction off some tick tock videos.
JJ Hunt:[Fast speaking, which the transcription AI caprures
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